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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/27/2010 9:46:00 AM
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I do wonder if it isn't in the best interest of the HSLDA to spread these persecution stories far and wide, not that they are lies, but that they are not as common as some would have you believe. Basically, the more the HSLDA can make people afraid of the big, bad system, the more people will fork over their dollars to be protected by the HSLDA. I believe you have to pay to be members, whether you have a legal problem or not?
You beat me to it. These days, I'd be skeptical of any organization with a business model based, at least in part, on ginning up fear in its clients.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/27/2010 11:51:57 AM
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 5:18:21 AM
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As a kindergarten teacher for the past nine years, I can honestly say that my students do NOT stay in their seats for long periods of time. Anyone who understands child development understands that kindergarteners (5 and 6 year olds) are not capable of sitting in a seat for hours. We take many breaks during the school day to sing/dance along with fun, educational songs. We move from table to table to do center activities. We move from the table to the rug to do whole-class activities orally. They are not expected to sit in chairs like robots with no movement and no talking. That's just ridiculous. I have had children come to my classroom late in the school year who have transferred from another school, and I have had children come to my classroom who have spent months being homeschooled. Some were right on target as far as where they needed to be educationally at that particular point and time in the school year. Others were grossly underprepared. Sometimes to the point where they cannot catch up and have to spend another year in kindergarten. A homeschool teacher is no different than a public school teacher. It's all about how much effort you put into your job as a teacher. Some do awesome jobs, and some realize how much work it is and grow bored with it. This is a sad thing because the children are the ones who suffer. If you make the choice to homeschool, please make sure that you are a disciplined enough person to keep the children on a schedule and focused on their learning.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 4:40:12 PM
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Something else to consider, you are not required to register a child for school (home school or traditional classroom) until they are 7 years old. Now, it's recommended to start Kindergarten at 5, and so on. . .but LEGALLY you don't have to enroll a kid in any kind of an academic program till they're 7. So if maturity is a question, breathe easy. You got time still.
As far as HS vs Pvt school vs Public school - it really depends on where you live, the standard of academic excellence you expect, and what you're comfortable with. We HS'ed last year b/c our school was way below standard. This year, we've made sacrifices and the kids have gotten scholarships to one of the best schools in the city (academics wise) and so they'll go to pvt school.
As a product of both public and pvt - I'll say this - you get what you pay for. What you invest in your childs education is what you'll reap. Whether that's time, finances, etc. . .YOU have to be an involved parent first and foremost. The degree of that involvement however, is up to you.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 4:45:50 PM
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I'll echo what others have said ... both parents have to be on the same page, and both parents need to be involved no matter what choice has been made. And what works for one family, or even one child, may not be suitable for another. We have 3 kids who are currently school age. We are talking about putting two in public school (#1&3) and keeping #2 at home because the school setting is still way too much for him to handle (BTDT). #1&3 should be okay in PS, but we would pull them home again if problems were to arise (they've been homeschooled prior to this year)
Oh, FWIW, where I live, kindergarten starts the year a child turns 4. So if a child doesn't turn 4 until Dec 31st, s/he will still be enrolled for Sept 1 -- which means s/he is 3 when s/he starts school. And they have all day kindergarten here, which means M/W/F they are in the kindergarten classroom, and T/T they are still in the school, but in "enrichment" classes which are also paid for by the gov't. So 8:30-3:30 M-F, a 3 year old can be in school ... 
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 5:17:23 PM
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Something else to consider, you are not required to register a child for school (home school or traditional classroom) until they are 7 years old. Now, it's recommended to start Kindergarten at 5, and so on. . .but LEGALLY you don't have to enroll a kid in any kind of an academic program till they're 7. So if maturity is a question, breathe easy. You got time still.
Note: The above information is not accurate for all states. It definitely is not true for my home state...you must register for our public schools for K5 or sign a waiver (if the waivers are still used). The homeschool registration would depend on your option of choice.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 6:30:05 PM
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In Indiana a child MUST be 5 before July 1st to enroll in any public school kindergarten. Now there is allowances given to some parents based on space in their specific school districts classrooms, if their child will turn 5 between July 1st and the first day of school. Here in our district we don't often have space in our classrooms, especially if we want to keep the class sizes small as we currently do.
In Indiana as well the age that which a child MUST be enrolled in some sort of school by age 7.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 10:15:50 PM
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Note: The above information is not accurate for all states. It definitely is not true for my home state...
Absolutely true - AND, in my state, while the mandatory reporting age is 8, there is an exception for children who have been put in school and then taken out. For instance, if you put your child in a school, ( public, private, or charter), and then take them out to homeschool, you have to report to the state. It doesn't matter if it is in the middle of the year or for the next school year. Once they have been enrolled, you have to report them.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/28/2010 11:14:31 PM
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If you have special talents in art or music or enjoy being active - even special area teachers can use volunteers!! Even working parents! Please take a day off a couple times during the school year and volunteer. It will show your child that their education and their school matters to you! And not just mom's!!! Having involved fathers is just as important!!
That's where things have improved dramatically in the 30+ years since I've been in school. (not to get off the subject)...
"Back in my day", you NEVER EVER saw a dad "volunteering" at school....for ANYTHING...it was always "room moms", and other "moms", etc..etc...
Today, when a class goes on a field trip, or there is something else going on in which the school requests some parent volunteers to help out...you can bet that at least 25% of those parents are gonna be DADS. And, now, "room moms" are now "room parents"....as there are plenty of dads volunteering (the types who "office" from home, and one is an airline pilot with a decent amount of "time off" in between times when he does "work", or own their own businesses close by)
At my last job, if I was in sort of a "slow period", and didn't have a lot of projects going on, my boss would let me take a day off of work to do a field trip with school...WITHOUT having to take a "vacation day"....pretty cool.
One of the many things that have IMPROVED at school over the years.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 8:39:48 AM
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I am not that young. lol...and I was always active at each of my children's schools from K-12. I would not trade those experiences for anything! I have always been very blessed to have a job where I could rearrange my schedule to fit in football practice, football games, band concerts, and all sorts of field trips. I once told a boss you can clear out my office while I am gone if you like, but I am going to my son's concert take it or leave it. I know everyone cannot do that, but I did and meant it. When it comes to experiences with your kid's there are no rewinds. I remember being at awards banquets, sports events, and honor society inductions without a parent there to cheer for me and determined my kid's were not going to have those memories.
I actually took more interest in their events than their mom did and more than a lot of other mom's in the group.
The educational process my kid's had was a combination of public school and home teaching. I really don't understand why it sometimes has to be an all or nothing approach by some parent's,
Why not combine resources and allow your child to benefit from both worlds?
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 10:05:30 AM
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garsyt
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The educational process my kid's had was a combination of public school and home teaching. I really don't understand why it sometimes has to be an all or nothing approach by some parent's,
Why not combine resources and allow your child to benefit from both worlds?
I do believe that the public schooling parents here - at least the majority - do do a combination of both. I KNOW that I do. Learning doesn't stop simply because summer is here or the weekend has begun. MY involvement doesn't abruptly stop when my kids get on the school bus in the morning or walk through the big double doors of their respective schools. If my child is having academic problems I can assure you that I'll be looking into things and if I can't help I will find someone who can. If something comes up that they are interested in we encourage further independent study. And I've never met a teacher, at least in our school system that hasn't welcomed that attitude!
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 12:20:16 PM
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Your wife is right. You two are the parents, not the child. Parents make huge mistakes when they fail to parent and have 5 yr olds make their own decisions on things like this. Plus, once the child decides, she will decide where she is having the most fun and often want to switch. Parent your child and make the decision. Also, I am unsure when you feel constructive socialization will happen at the public schools. I sent my children to public school this past year and it only reaffirmed my decision to homeschool. I am also a little put off by when I had my child who was public school evaluated for learning disabilities, as well as my homeschooled child, and there is a place where it says "primary support group" and for my public schooler, it said peers and for my homeschooler, it said family. This is so true. Also, after 5 yrs of homeschooling, my homeschooler, who supposedly had dyslexia and could not be taught to read, was way ahead of grade level and had no sign of learning disability anymore. But my other child had issues he never had before public schooling.
Whether you send your child to government school or not, the PARENTS make the decisions, not the child. If there is no other thing you can do to fail as a parent, failing to parent would be that. Parent your child, don't have her raise herself.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 1:03:07 PM
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Parent your child, don't have her raise herself.
This is so true. Just a few minutes ago, I was sitting in the living room with my mother, my 16yo daughter and my 10yo son. Dd was telling us about a girl who was in her cabin at camp and how sad her life is. She said that "she has basically had to raise herself".
When I first had children, I saw them as little people who were as smart as me, but just not as capable yet. Now I realize that they aren't. For one thing, their brains are not even developed yet. Even teenagers brains are not done developing! My brain, otoh, is fully developed and I have a lot of knowledge, understanding and wisdom to make sound decisions on things that they could not possibly know or consider. With the younger kids, even if I explain something complex to them, they still will not fully understand the implications and important points in many situations. It is my job as a parent to instruct my children. Even if I were to put them in a school setting, it is still my job to make sure that they are being instructed properly. Children need instruction, therefore, they are not yet ready to make any major life decisions.
My children have choices, but in terms of things that will impact their lives most, I direct them where I can see would be best for them. Even in their skills and talents, it is my job to see and direct them.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
This shows us that it is the parent’s job to train the child. It is not the child’s job to determine what that training will be or how it is accomplished. Of course, we are to listen to our children and consider what is best for them as individuals, but that is far different from allowing them to make decisions that they are not capable of.
When deciding whether or not to homeschool, the family as a whole is impacted greatly by such a decision. In homeschooling, all of the decisions on education are made by the parents, as well as all of the expense. This takes time, effort, and money. As a homeschool parent, I do a ton of research on each course that I choose before making a purchasing decision, then I have to budget it all out and determine how I’m going to pay for it. Once all that is done, I have to work daily with my children to instruct them in all of these courses and to keep track of their progress all along the way. It can be difficult and complicated, but it is a lifestyle that one becomes accustomed to and it can be enjoyable. Plus, I get to determine what things are most important for each of my children. It’s not the same for all of them, as they each have their own bent.
You have already gotten a good understanding of the life of a dedicated public school parent and all that goes into making the most of that form of education. It’s a lot of work to keep track of what is going on with your child in the classroom and to be involved in it in a meaningful way.
Either way, you and your spouse decide with the help and direction of the Holy Spirit. He knows exactly what is right for your family.
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 7:32:12 PM
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Great post, Cynthia!!!
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 7:50:00 PM
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garsyt
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My children have choices, but in terms of things that will impact their lives most, I direct them where I can see would be best for them. Even in their skills and talents, it is my job to see and direct them.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
This shows us that it is the parent’s job to train the child. It is not the child’s job to determine what that training will be or how it is accomplished. Of course, we are to listen to our children and consider what is best for them as individuals, but that is far different from allowing them to make decisions that they are not capable of.
When deciding whether or not to homeschool, the family as a whole is impacted greatly by such a decision. In homeschooling, all of the decisions on education are made by the parents, as well as all of the expense. This takes time, effort, and money. As a homeschool parent, I do a ton of research on each course that I choose before making a purchasing decision, then I have to budget it all out and determine how I’m going to pay for it. Once all that is done, I have to work daily with my children to instruct them in all of these courses and to keep track of their progress all along the way. It can be difficult and complicated, but it is a lifestyle that one becomes accustomed to and it can be enjoyable. Plus, I get to determine what things are most important for each of my children. It’s not the same for all of them, as they each have their own bent.
You have already gotten a good understanding of the life of a dedicated public school parent and all that goes into making the most of that form of education. It’s a lot of work to keep track of what is going on with your child in the classroom and to be involved in it in a meaningful way.
Either way, you and your spouse decide with the help and direction of the Holy Spirit. He knows exactly what is right for your family.
Worth repeating!
And to add that as our children mature it is wise to start including them in big decisions as well. Teens need to learn about and how to make wise decisions for themselves and that is something that we as PARENTS are responsible for.
Whatever form of education that is chosen, for any particular family or even particular children within a family must be prayed over, and it must be a decision made between parents after listening to what God has to say. And then once that decision is made than if the parents are serious about making it work - there has to be involvement of both parents and they have to be ready for some hard work!
Blessings,
Garsy
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RE: Taking child out of school to homeschool - 7/29/2010 9:35:41 PM
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cynthia
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And to add that as our children mature it is wise to start including them in big decisions as well. Teens need to learn about and how to make wise decisions for themselves and that is something that we as PARENTS are responsible for.
Whatever form of education that is chosen, for any particular family or even particular children within a family must be prayed over, and it must be a decision made between parents after listening to what God has to say. And then once that decision is made than if the parents are serious about making it work - there has to be involvement of both parents and they have to be ready for some hard work!
Blessings,
Garsy
Agree. I want to clarify that I didn't mean to imply that we don't let our children make decisions and larger ones as they mature. I was thinking of the five year old deciding on her education.
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